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Death_From_Above · Mar 13, 2007, 05:31 PM // 17:31

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Originally Posted by Nadia Roark

Methinks you don't realize that ArenaNet is probably (gasp!) developing other games and that they have non GW related tasks to complete in the meantime. This isn't Blizzard, and we're not playing WoW. ANet and NCsoft actually have other games.

It seems to me that a lot of us are under the impression that these changes are of a life-and-death magnitude and that the things you/we want need to happen now and only now and that everything else needs to be put on hold until this HA crisis is fixed.

Grow the f*ck up.

Don't get me wrong (since this forum has a history of missing my point) I'm not saying that HA doesn't need a radical overhaul: in fact I agree with the majority of comments I've seen regarding 6v6 vs. 8v8 and the utter retardation that is kill counts and capture points. Nevertheless, I feel compelled to point a few things out:

It's a goddamn game.
8 Months isn't a terribly long time by any conventional measure.
To anyone who still wants to complain that 8 months is a long time relative to the task at hand (I admit it probably wouldn't take long to enact these changes), please refer to statement #1.

Correct me if im wrong but if you break something you should be entitled to fix it as quick as possible. Secondly they shouldnt put everything on hold. Erm yes they should being 8 months they have put HA on hold i think its HAs time. If your developing other games its common sense, dont tamper with things you know you may not have the time to fix problems with. Also as for the time matter, i believe they should have an 8v8 template there correct me if im wrong and what i have read in other posts concerning statments made by izzy ect on other threads. Hes made it sound like reverting things is not the problem, infact thats the easiest thing it can be done over night in fact.

Anet cannot be given any credit or cut any slack for their blatant disregard for their players. Taking into account all of this now, 8months is a long time considering these circumstances. 8months is almost you could say a year. Now it takes a whole year to make a film does it not, thats the time frame were looking at, it takes 9 months to have a baby. Having to wait a year for any company to sort themselves out is a joke.

If there putting things before the HA community they should be dang right ashamed of themselves because any company should have its customers first. Bill gates dosent make a hash of microsoft then says to all his customers. Oh sorry, but im working on the lastest windows so your going to have to wait 8 months. Instead he gets right on it because in doing so you lose customers and it angers your customers and its plane inconsiderate. I would be more sympathetic if putting HA back how it originaly was was such a hard thing but its not so stop please making it sound like it is. 8months campaigning for 8v8 is just disgusting.

Not even one month or 2 months but 8. I suggest you run a store or open a buisness one day an try ignoring a large group of your customers for 8 months. Ill want to know how far you get. And try tell me thats fair. Also you said some of us are under the impression that these are life and death situations. Infact many of are not but were just venting are rage as we should do. Try buy a faulty product from a store for lots of cash and lets see if you go haywire on the guys when they tell you they wont refund your money. The fact is everyone gets worked up over certain matters. It doesnt mean there taking it over the top.

Id like to know how many players here sit on forms for likr 9 hours a day commenting on this issue. The fact is were annoyed because as iv said before many of us are not getting younger, things like work school and other things start to prove hinderance later on in life so when you have a year of say free time before you get piled with these stuff im sure your going to want to enjoy it to the full. For example playing a game you payed for (guildwars) and enjoying it.

If you think were overexadurating or what ever, then lets all just sit here not saying anything waiting for anet to make some changes. Theres a saying, procasination is a theif of time. Anet will say ye we will do it in 2 weeks time. 2 weeks come, they say oh another 2 weeks. In the end they will be 80 and still it wouldnt be done. Just dont bother say anything an i bet you anet will use the opporunity to laz off and go on another extended holiday because they will be like oh well we got no one breathen down our backs lets take it easy. I say theirs nothing wrong with members of the pvp community showing their disapointment and feelings for anet to see.

coleslawdressin · Mar 13, 2007, 08:25 PM // 20:25

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Originally Posted by Nadia Roark

Methinks you don't realize that ArenaNet is probably (gasp!) developing other games and that they have non GW related tasks to complete in the meantime. This isn't Blizzard, and we're not playing WoW. ANet and NCsoft actually have other games.

NCSoft is a game publisher and whatever games they may have in their arsenal or also have developed have no bearing on ANET game development. ANET has only ever made one game although they might have another secret project in development or planned already.

I don't give a f*ck what you say either, 8 months is way to long for this 6v6 scrubfest.

I Teh Mighty Warrior I · Mar 13, 2007, 10:52 PM // 22:52

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Originally Posted by Nadia Roark

Methinks you don't realize that ArenaNet is probably (gasp!) developing other games and that they have non GW related tasks to complete in the meantime. This isn't Blizzard, and we're not playing WoW. ANet and NCsoft actually have other games.

Anet is not developing any other games than Guild Wars, get your f*cking facts straight before you come here and call someone out. This is the only game Anet is developing there is no reason why it takes 8 months for them to admit they made a mistake and do something to fix it. Don't use that excuse to defend them. Starcraft, a game released in 1998, that's 9 years old btw, at one point recieved (gasp!) more regular updates than guild wars. And look at their end result, over 9 million copies sold.

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Originally Posted by Nadia Roark

It seems to me that a lot of us are under the impression that these changes are of a life-and-death magnitude and that the things you/we want need to happen now and only now and that everything else needs to be put on hold until this HA crisis is fixed.

I don't necessarily want them now, I would of liked them 8 months ago.

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Originally Posted by Nadia Roark

Grow the f*ck up.

Yea you're right, it's wrong of me to post my opinion.

The Last Windseeker · Mar 13, 2007, 11:06 PM // 23:06

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Originally Posted by Nadia Roark

Methinks you don't realize that ArenaNet is probably (gasp!) developing other games and that they have non GW related tasks to complete in the meantime. This isn't Blizzard, and we're not playing WoW. ANet and NCsoft actually have other games.

I am aware that NCsoft probably has many games in progress, but that is in no ways justifying Anet taking longer. Anet, as far as I am aware, is the part of NCsoft whose focus is to create Guild Wars. This being said, there should be nothing slowing down Anet from fixing problems in Guild Wars other than Guild Wars. The real problem in my eyes is that Anet was able to dedicate enough time to implement 6v6, something which nobody desired, but they are unable to find enough time to fix their mistake and return Heroes Ascent back to 8v8, something which the majority of the PvP community desires. This, in my eyes, makes Anet look like a very poorly run company. If Anet continues implementing things which people do not want, and then refusing to return the game to its' original manner, which people do want, they won't last long.

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Originally Posted by Nadia Roark

It seems to me that a lot of us are under the impression that these changes are of a life-and-death magnitude and that the things you/we want need to happen now and only now and that everything else needs to be put on hold until this HA crisis is fixed.

Grow the f*ck up.

I do not believe any of us are under the impression that these changes are at the level of life-and-death, but we do wish HA to be changed back to 8v8. Why do we want it right away? Well, simply speaking, we never wanted 6v6 and Anet implemented that. From the instance Anet implemented something which the majority of the community did not want, we wanted it changed back. Anet on the other hand refused to listen to its' community, the most important part of a game, and kept HA as 6v6. When a company starts ignoring its' customers, thats when the customers start to complain, as we see right now. I feel that it is not justifiable for Anet to take 8 months just to admit they might have made a mistake.

Yunas Ele · Mar 14, 2007, 01:43 AM // 01:43

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Originally Posted by I Teh Mighty Warrior I

Starcraft, a game released in 1998, that's 9 years old btw, at one point recieved (gasp!) more regular updates than guild wars. And look at their end result, over 9 million copies sold.

Also, Blizzard didn't wake up one day and be like "hey guys, lets **** up a part of our game that a lot of people like! And when they tell us they don't like it, lets just leave it as is! lolx!!111". Anet on the other hand.......

Oh and Starcraft is the best game ever made so that might also account for why it sold a lot better than GW >_>.

I Teh Mighty Warrior I · Mar 14, 2007, 01:52 AM // 01:52

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Originally Posted by Yunas Ele

Oh and Starcraft is the best game ever made

QFT, still amazes me why they can't come out with a sequel, seeing as how they even set the stage for one. Such an amazing game, it's a classic.

l Batman l · Mar 14, 2007, 02:05 AM // 02:05

Honestly, I think Anet has done a good job with new material for Guild Wars, considering it doesn't have a subscription fee. Though they may not cater to your taste of a 2 man difference in HA. I am in favor of 8v8 and HA frequently, but I still don't have to cry about it if they're not super timely. If they're not working on one thing you like they're working on something else that you will like.

I Teh Mighty Warrior I · Mar 14, 2007, 02:26 AM // 02:26

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Originally Posted by l Batman l

Honestly, I think Anet has done a good job with new material for Guild Wars, considering it doesn't have a subscription fee.

50$ every 6 months is the subscription fee. I don't know about you, but I didn't pay $150 for Anet to give false dates, give out half-ass skill updates (excluding the last one, that was actually a good one), and refuse to listen to the community.

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Originally Posted by l Batman l

Though they may not cater to your taste of a 2 man difference in HA. I am in favor of 8v8 and HA frequently, but I still don't have to cry about it if they're not super timely. If they're not working on one thing you like they're working on something else that you will like.

Working on something else...like this "lucky" weekend we're getting? Double drops on greens? Idk about you, but I am not interested in this pve crap.

Yunas Ele · Mar 14, 2007, 02:42 AM // 02:42

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Originally Posted by l Batman l

Honestly, I think Anet has done a good job with new material for Guild Wars, considering it doesn't have a subscription fee.

What new material have we gotten that we didn't pay for, other than sorrows furnace? (which was awesome btw... anet should make more pve like that). Its been nearly 2 years so maybe I'm forgetting something but thats the only real new material that comes to mind. Oh and don't say "DoA". Please, don't. That was suppose to be released with nightfall (Its mentioned on the box, if I'm not mistaken) however ANet rushed the game out too fast (it showed...) and had to release DoA at a later date. All the other new things we payed for via purchasing next chapters.

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Originally Posted by l Batman l

Though they may not cater to your taste of a 2 man difference in HA. I am in favor of 8v8 and HA frequently, but I still don't have to cry about it if they're not super timely.

I am okay with ANet not being "super timely". They are human after all. A few days late on their announcements or whatever? No problem. Completely understandable. However, leaving us with the 6v6 BS for months and months when the community consistently says otherwise.... thats a little more than just not being "super timely", wouldn't you say?

Alleji · Mar 14, 2007, 03:07 AM // 03:07

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Originally Posted by I Teh Mighty Warrior I

QFT, still amazes me why they can't come out with a sequel, seeing as how they even set the stage for one. Such an amazing game, it's a classic.

My best guess is that they are afraid SC 2 won't meet the expectations. After all, SC set the bar really high and SC 2 being anything short of absolutely-f*ing-amazing-bestseller-for-next-5-years isn't gonna cut it.

Think The Matrix and how Reloaded and Revolutions were complete horseshit.

Oren The Destroyer · Mar 14, 2007, 03:44 AM // 03:44

How come every HA thread breaks down into a wild flame-fest?

The Last Windseeker · Mar 14, 2007, 04:10 AM // 04:10

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Originally Posted by Oren The Destroyer

How come every HA thread breaks down into a wild flame-fest?

Because Anet seemingly randomly changed one of the few types of PvP to something which people did not desire, and has done nothing to fix the problem. Anet, simply, is not acting as a company should. They are, as it seems, ignoring the PvP community, and just saying live with it. As I had said before, a company should not ignore its' customers if something is wrong. They should act, and try and fix the problem as soon as possible. The only shred of hope seen as of late is that they may re-implement 8v8, something which they never should have changed. Because Anet took nearly 8 months just to admit they may have done something wrong by addressing the issue is why these threads always become flames. I am sure the PvP community would be much more at ease if Anet had taken response to their mistake right away.

Thom Bangalter · Mar 14, 2007, 04:21 AM // 04:21

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Originally Posted by Oren The Destroyer

How come every HA thread breaks down into a wild flame-fest?

because HA players are good at the game. RIGHT?

Riotgear · Mar 14, 2007, 08:12 AM // 08:12

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Originally Posted by Oren The Destroyer

How come every HA thread breaks down into a wild flame-fest?

Because everyone just wants Anet to push the "rollback" button and go back to "classic 8v8." Any action that does not lead to that, including inaction, is viewed as a waste of time.

Undressed · Mar 14, 2007, 10:41 AM // 10:41

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Originally Posted by Death_From_Above

Correct me if im wrong but if you break something you should be entitled to fix it as quick as possible.

They changed, they didn't break, so no, they are not entitled to fix anything because YOUR personal opinion makes you say so.

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Anet cannot be given any credit or cut any slack for their blatant disregard for their players. Taking into account all of this now, 8months is a long time considering these circumstances. 8months is almost you could say a year. Now it takes a whole year to make a film does it not, thats the time frame were looking at, it takes 9 months to have a baby. Having to wait a year for any company to sort themselves out is a joke.

No, I think your attitude is a complete joke, I won't comment on the comparisons with babies, it's too retarded. If you're unable to occupy yourself with other things and wait out until the game is fun again for you, you strongly need to overthink your situation.

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...Instead he gets right on it because in doing so you lose customers and it angers your customers and its plane inconsiderate.

I am very sure the loss of the leet HA players of old is not even close to marginal for ArenaNET. Even when the Top 100-GvGs would leave, it wouldn't be a problem, however GW needs its PvP-part to stay alive and prosper beyond the casual regions. Let's just give them a chance to make it better, if not now, maybe with GW2.

Alex Weekes · Mar 14, 2007, 02:19 PM // 14:19

We gathered poll results from numerous websites spread across several languages (English, German, Spanish and French primarily). What Gaile has said is pretty accurate. I've seen the numbers: 8v8 is ahead, however statistically speaking it *is* a close vote.

Looking at the English forums, the GWG vote was the only one to show a clear preference, with TGH and GWO both split very evenly. Comparing languages, Germans were comparatively less likely to be 'neutral' and more likely to be in favour of 6v6 than the English, while the Spanish poll resulted in 6v6 being marginally preferred.

axe · Mar 14, 2007, 02:33 PM // 14:33

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Originally Posted by Alex Weekes

We gathered poll results from numerous websites spread across several languages (English, German, Spanish and French primarily). What Gaile has said is pretty accurate. I've seen the numbers: 8v8 is ahead, however statistically speaking it *is* a close vote.

Looking at the English forums, the GWG vote was the only one to show a clear preference, with TGH and GWO both split very evenly. Comparing languages, Germans were comparatively less likely to be 'neutral' and more likely to be in favour of 6v6 than the English, while the Spanish poll resulted in 6v6 being marginally preferred.

Thank you for posting Alex, seeing Anet reps in the HA forum really makes me feel more comfortable about an upcoming decision.

While the polls may be close, what about those that didnt vote on forums, but instead voted by leaving the HA districts empty?

Is there any way that we can get any info on how the HA population has been effected by the 6v6 change. I and others here are very curious about this.

qvtkc · Mar 14, 2007, 03:09 PM // 15:09

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Originally Posted by Death_From_Above

Bill gates dosent make a hash of microsoft then says to all his customers. Oh sorry, but im working on the lastest windows so your going to have to wait 8 months. Instead he gets right on it because in doing so you lose customers and it angers your customers and its plane inconsiderate.

I just want to point out here that Microsoft actully intentionally releases software before it is properly tested, because the amount of bugs discovered by the users vastly outnumbers the amount found by testers at post-beta stage.

And... people... please... stop thinking that ANet would just put the old mechanics back. If they ever did, things still wouldn't be the same because you have two new professions as well as hundreds of new skills. The old game is gone, understand this, it's a new game now and if/when they bring back 8v8 (which I hope they do) it will be a still newer one.
Looking back is useless, looking forward is guessing, the only thing that's left is asking "how to win?", like people used to do when the game was new - remember?

Yunas Ele · Mar 14, 2007, 03:17 PM // 15:17

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Originally Posted by Undressed

They changed, they didn't break, so no, they are not entitled to fix anything because YOUR personal opinion makes you say so.

His choice of words was bad. "Break" wasn't a good word to use. You're right, it was a change. However, it was a change for the worse (which is what he was trying to imply with "break"). And its not just his personal opinion. Think back to how many people in how many districts in HA prior to the changes. Now go look at it now. I think thats more than just one person's opinion.

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Originally Posted by Undressed

I am very sure the loss of the leet HA players of old is not even close to marginal for ArenaNET. Even when the Top 100-GvGs would leave, it wouldn't be a problem, however GW needs its PvP-part to stay alive and prosper beyond the casual regions. Let's just give them a chance to make it better, if not now, maybe with GW2.

You're right. Lose of HA players isn't that big of a deal. I think ANet's realized their time would be better spent pleasing PvErs (who will in turn buy more character slots, C4, etc...) as opposed to trying to get the interest of a couple of people who might come back to the game (and in turn, maybe buy C4 but nothing more) if its made enjoyable to them again. Pleasing PvErs = more money earned that pleasing HAers. ANet is a company out to make money, not a charity, which is why I'm not surprised HA isn't getting much attention.

Randomway Ftw · Mar 14, 2007, 03:21 PM // 15:21

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Originally Posted by Alex Weekes

Looking at the English forums, the GWG vote was the only one to show a clear preference, with TGH and GWO both split very evenly. Comparing languages, Germans were comparatively less likely to be 'neutral' and more likely to be in favour of 6v6 than the English, while the Spanish poll resulted in 6v6 being marginally preferred.

Right, GWO, and the TGH have respectable communities of experienced HA players. Not to mention that every PVEer who saw the thread voted for 6v6 to throw the poll off.